Comments for Roborant http://redcardgroup.com/roborant Got no Money, Got no Car, Got no Women, But You're here Reading this Anyway Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:13:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Stew http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6857 Stew Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:13:28 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6857 I would argue that WALL E was well written! Childrens stories, although they aren't up to the depth of adult novels, can still be well written and captivating! Just as a poem or a song can be well written. A movie with little dialogue, that has an excellent basis and ideas around it is well-written in my books. And, you're right, WALL E basically has no actors. Which was part of your challenge, seeing as none of these non-existent actors are present. Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels made, like 300% over than its budget, as it was a tiny independent film. I'd say that's a financial success! But, yeah, I was going for 'without A-list actors' more than 'without good actors'. At any rate, all three of my films prove that financial success and excellent movies are both obtainable even if you abstain from the "A-List" actors and resort to equally talented, less publicized workers. And I still get high-fives. Rock on! I would argue that WALL E was well written! Childrens stories, although they aren’t up to the depth of adult novels, can still be well written and captivating! Just as a poem or a song can be well written. A movie with little dialogue, that has an excellent basis and ideas around it is well-written in my books.

And, you’re right, WALL E basically has no actors. Which was part of your challenge, seeing as none of these non-existent actors are present.

Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels made, like 300% over than its budget, as it was a tiny independent film. I’d say that’s a financial success! But, yeah, I was going for ‘without A-list actors’ more than ‘without good actors’.

At any rate, all three of my films prove that financial success and excellent movies are both obtainable even if you abstain from the “A-List” actors and resort to equally talented, less publicized workers. And I still get high-fives. Rock on!

]]> Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Andrew http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6589 Andrew Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:08:35 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6589 I think to counter the point in the article "good actors" should translate into "actors that make 20 million a movie." I was trying to argue that these A-list actors that make this much aren't perceptively better at acting then much lower paid actors. Hence why movies without "A-list actors" are not dominating the box office. I think to counter the point in the article “good actors” should translate into “actors that make 20 million a movie.” I was trying to argue that these A-list actors that make this much aren’t perceptively better at acting then much lower paid actors. Hence why movies without “A-list actors” are not dominating the box office.

]]> Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Wolfgang http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6547 Wolfgang Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:33:33 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6547 *cock joke* *cock joke*

]]> Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Liam http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6538 Liam Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:46:25 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6538 I still haven't seen either of them. D9 is too new for me to take anyone's word, but Slumdog did take 8 Oscars if I recall correctly. It's the movie that I can most easily think of that fits the criteria. The last criterion, that it must have 'good actors', is the hardest to satisfy simply because of its total subjectivity. Since I haven't seen Slumdog I can't be sure, but (again, given its Oscar track record) I would be willing to accept it as a possible solution to the challenge. But just to flesh out the 'good actors' thing, let's contrast to the original Ghost in the Shell movie. Slumdog beats the 'good actors' thing on a technicality: none of the actors are known to western audiences, so I'll give it a pass. But Ghost in the Shell was rife with voice acting of the worst kind. I don't know how much it grossed, so it may not be an actual contender for the challenge. But it took a well-written screenplay and ruined all the dialogue with bad acting (as it's animated, it also makes a good contrast to the points I made about Wall-E above). I still haven’t seen either of them. D9 is too new for me to take anyone’s word, but Slumdog did take 8 Oscars if I recall correctly. It’s the movie that I can most easily think of that fits the criteria. The last criterion, that it must have ‘good actors’, is the hardest to satisfy simply because of its total subjectivity. Since I haven’t seen Slumdog I can’t be sure, but (again, given its Oscar track record) I would be willing to accept it as a possible solution to the challenge.

But just to flesh out the ‘good actors’ thing, let’s contrast to the original Ghost in the Shell movie. Slumdog beats the ‘good actors’ thing on a technicality: none of the actors are known to western audiences, so I’ll give it a pass. But Ghost in the Shell was rife with voice acting of the worst kind. I don’t know how much it grossed, so it may not be an actual contender for the challenge. But it took a well-written screenplay and ruined all the dialogue with bad acting (as it’s animated, it also makes a good contrast to the points I made about Wall-E above).

]]> Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Wolfgang http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6519 Wolfgang Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:58:47 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6519 Im going to make 2 guesses on the obvious choice: Slumdog Millionaire & District 9 :P Im going to make 2 guesses on the obvious choice: Slumdog Millionaire & District 9 :P

]]> Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Liam http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6500 Liam Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:17:11 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6500 Granite: Thanks. It's weird. This was something I would never normally post about, but I just got this strange feeling that I should. As far as 'high grossing' is concerned, I'm gonna take a page from obscenity. I know it when I see it. If you think you see it, then I can probably be convinced. Also, the challenge is obviously skewed towards my personal biases. It'll be pretty tough to meet my totally subjective criteria. Although... There is one really obvious answer that no one has given me. Wolf: I'm sorry that you are having a bad time. You know I only hurt because I love. I would love to help you move. But Older Brother and Younger Sister are both moving on Saturday as well. I'm spread too thin as it is. PS, I check your blog every day, dummy. I just don't always comment. Granite:

Thanks. It’s weird. This was something I would never normally post about, but I just got this strange feeling that I should.

As far as ‘high grossing’ is concerned, I’m gonna take a page from obscenity. I know it when I see it. If you think you see it, then I can probably be convinced.

Also, the challenge is obviously skewed towards my personal biases. It’ll be pretty tough to meet my totally subjective criteria. Although… There is one really obvious answer that no one has given me.

Wolf:

I’m sorry that you are having a bad time. You know I only hurt because I love.

I would love to help you move. But Older Brother and Younger Sister are both moving on Saturday as well. I’m spread too thin as it is.

PS, I check your blog every day, dummy. I just don’t always comment.

]]> Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Wolfgang http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6496 Wolfgang Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:32:47 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6496 sorry for dup-ing ur points. i was tired 7 angry last night. things are getting to me. & i have seen things from the silent era. it was in my history of music in film class, but nevertheless i might try to argue that wall-es animators have to have ties into acting to animate him emotionally, but at this point, im loosing interest. i also meant to throw in a mention to r2d2 with the beeping, but its lost now. well the doctor thing was just to help point out one of the many injustices in the world. and when people (actors) bitch that they arent getting their $20 million a year, it pisses me off. *to those people* go fuck a lemon and hang yourself you whiny good for nothing cunt* as a side note to that: part of me wants to be socialist/border-line the <b>good</b> kind of communist, but i have a short fuse for really stupid, lazy people, which unfortunately, there seems to be no shortage of in this world. :( PS. Im moving on saturday if youre interested, but i think we have enough hands. also i made another musical post that no one hasnoticed, and the song is fucking awesome sorry for dup-ing ur points. i was tired 7 angry last night. things are getting to me. & i have seen things from the silent era. it was in my history of music in film class, but nevertheless

i might try to argue that wall-es animators have to have ties into acting to animate him emotionally, but at this point, im loosing interest.

i also meant to throw in a mention to r2d2 with the beeping, but its lost now.

well the doctor thing was just to help point out one of the many injustices in the world. and when people (actors) bitch that they arent getting their $20 million a year, it pisses me off. *to those people* go fuck a lemon and hang yourself you whiny good for nothing cunt*

as a side note to that: part of me wants to be socialist/border-line the good kind of communist, but i have a short fuse for really stupid, lazy people, which unfortunately, there seems to be no shortage of in this world.

:(

PS. Im moving on saturday if youre interested, but i think we have enough hands. also i made another musical post that no one hasnoticed, and the song is fucking awesome

]]> Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Granite http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6492 Granite Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:23:57 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6492 Oldest thing that I've ever watched (in its entirety) has to be Steamboat Willie. I'm assuming everyone has seen some snippet of Charlie Chaplin's stuff at some point in their lives. Anyway, go Liam. This was a very interesting topic, and I want to see how it progresses. I'm not going to attempt to take on your challenge, because I think you've made a very valid point. And it will take some immense search to find something that fits your criteria. Can we clarify what qualifies a movie as high grossing? Is there a fixed boundary that it must exceed, or a percentage? Double its budget? What are we looking at here? Oldest thing that I’ve ever watched (in its entirety) has to be Steamboat Willie. I’m assuming everyone has seen some snippet of Charlie Chaplin’s stuff at some point in their lives.

Anyway, go Liam. This was a very interesting topic, and I want to see how it progresses. I’m not going to attempt to take on your challenge, because I think you’ve made a very valid point. And it will take some immense search to find something that fits your criteria.

Can we clarify what qualifies a movie as high grossing? Is there a fixed boundary that it must exceed, or a percentage? Double its budget? What are we looking at here?

]]> Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Liam http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6455 Liam Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:43:00 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6455 Wolf: And the doctor shortage is a pet peeve of mine. It has very little to do with there not being enough money. Wolf: And the doctor shortage is a pet peeve of mine. It has very little to do with there not being enough money.

]]> Comment on So You’re a Little bit Older, and a Lot less Bolder Than You Used to be, So You Used to Shake ‘em Down, But Now You Stop and Think about Your Dignity by Liam http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/2009/08/21/so-youre-a-little-bit-older-and-a-lot-less-bolder-than-you-used-to-be-so-you-used-to-shake-em-down-but-now-you-stop-and-think-about-your-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-6454 Liam Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:40:48 +0000 http://redcardgroup.com/roborant/?p=80#comment-6454 Wolf, apparently in your haste to comment, you failed to read both my reasons for DQing Wall-E. me: "One of the charms of the film is in how well the relationships are conveyed without dialogue" you: "although there was next to no dialogue, the movie still managed to portray powerful emotions and a meaning [sic] story/message" What you go on to mention (beep tweaking and lense adjustment) is not writing. It would be story-boarding at best. And it was. Not. Acted. It was animated. Which is exactly what I said above. "Are you saying no film made before 1927 was a good film?" I would wager that I am the only person on this site who has seen a film made before 1927. And, again, if you had read my second reason for DQing Wally, you might have been able to extrapolate that silent live-action film would be judged on its own merits (leaving aside the question of what constituted a high-grossing film at that time). Silent animated film would have been DQed as fast as Wall-E, for the reasons stated above. Wolf, apparently in your haste to comment, you failed to read both my reasons for DQing Wall-E.

me: “One of the charms of the film is in how well the relationships are conveyed without dialogue”

you: “although there was next to no dialogue, the movie still managed to portray powerful emotions and a meaning [sic] story/message”

What you go on to mention (beep tweaking and lense adjustment) is not writing. It would be story-boarding at best. And it was. Not. Acted. It was animated. Which is exactly what I said above.

“Are you saying no film made before 1927 was a good film?”

I would wager that I am the only person on this site who has seen a film made before 1927. And, again, if you had read my second reason for DQing Wally, you might have been able to extrapolate that silent live-action film would be judged on its own merits (leaving aside the question of what constituted a high-grossing film at that time). Silent animated film would have been DQed as fast as Wall-E, for the reasons stated above.

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